From atkinson Sun Jun 21 18:56:26 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA16332 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:56:25 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA16327 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:56:21 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 18:56:21 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Testing Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Testing vconf98-chat, closed, unmoderated, reply_to = vconf98-chat Roger. ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sun Jun 28 20:23:19 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA17249 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:21:49 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA17245 for ; Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:21:46 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 28 Jun 1998 20:21:46 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Articles added to the discussion environment Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi, I have added a number of articles to the HyperNews environments under the three links, "Internet....applied", "Web server environments" and "Internet video conferencing", in: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html "Internet....applied". The article by Peter Lockwood and Heiko Daniel contains explicit dilemma questions (is 'explicit dilemmas' an oxymoron?). Dilemma questions, I expect, will prove to be one of the important kinds of presentation techniques for a virtual conference. As a technique it puts more weight upon the "seeking feedback" purpose or function for a conference paper. Also posted up, the related article by Ross McLeod, Heiko Daniel and Peter Lockwood, examining learning strategies with the Oz Soils Interactive Multimedia Program. "Web server environments" Expanding the original definition a little, I have added George Ivanoff's "Running a virtual conference: Lessons learned", because the nature of the software which sets up the discussion environment - ease of use factors - is very important, along with other factors which George discusses also. As you may have noticed, HyperNews is not delivering exactly what's needed. But we are working on it! "Internet video conferencing" The article by Mei-Sheng Chao, "Evaluating the ATM Video Network at National Chung Cheng University", analyses student feedback on distance education delivery to remote classrooms and draws valuable conclusions about enhancements in techniques. I'm wondering about the technique of adding articles a few at a time to the HyperNews environment...... comments welcome. I'm finding that one of the hassles with HyperNews concerns articles containing graphics wider than the user's normal selection of window width. HyperNews forces the whole of the article to have the same line length as the widest graphic. In those cases the user then loses control of window width, for example Peter Jones' excellent article really does need wide graphics, but for easy reading of the running text you need a shorter line length than given by the display under HyperNews (sorry Peter, we are working to improve that). Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sun Jul 5 22:31:54 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA13335 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:23:37 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA13331 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:23:34 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 1998 22:23:34 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Face to face conferences starting Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi, a bulletin about "Face to face conferences starting" occurs because these interact with the virtual conference. At one level, the interaction is negative, due to technical support and problem solving having to be spread more thinly across more jobs on two fronts. Today was "setup day" for Edtech'98 and also for ACEC'98 in Adelaide. Much time spent in wrestling with technical hurdles which have to be overcome, like "why the hell can we get cuseeme traffic OK through Edith Cowan University network, but I cannot telnet or POP call out to cleo.murdoch.edu.au?" At least it worked up a healthy thirst for EdTech'98's Welcome Reception.... At another level, the interaction is more positive: 1. At this evening's reception, our face to face conference authors seemed to be pretty well briefed on "what's going on, who's doing what and how" kinds of matters. Info gained from web pages, email and virtual conferencing. That aspect worked very nicely. 2. The concurrent virtual and face to face conferences give us a larger pool of articles (we cannot use the traditional term: "papers"!) to consider. 3. The linking of virtual and face to face conferences is in tune with the trends in course delivery, towards using a diverse range of techniques and media (the 'mode convergence' thing). And there may be other pros and cons for concurrent virtual and face to face conferences. Overall, though it's much harder work, I favour the "concurrent" approach. What do you think? We have posted up the first stage of a schedule of video conferencing activities under: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/video-sched.html and input into this topic would be welcome (you could pray for us, we may need Divine Assistance whilst doing keynote sessions via cuseeme!). Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 6 16:37:59 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA25365 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:34:20 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25356 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 16:34:06 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.148]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA14327 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 18:05:21 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A0A004.4F6A9AFE@nexus.edu.au> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 18:59:32 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vconf chat Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: talking tech to teachers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au I knew I'd have to post and get some interaction ... ... as soon as I saw the heading "EdTech'98 and ACEC'98 Virtual Conference"[1]. To me, these two acronyms flag two stances that result in very different responses, and sometimes I find myself in sympathy with people being enthusiastic about technology, and sometimes I feel threatened when I hear people being enthusiastic about technology, What responses do people who travel to conferences have to ... ... How _do_ you 'promote institutional reciptivity' when one group feels left out if they hear "Everything is changing", and the other group only feels open to change if they hear "Little is changing"? Consulting the list of attendees [4] makes me think we might know some responses that have worked in a variety of institutions. I've forgotten where I read the phrase ... ... 'promote institutional reciptivity', but I think it was on the Newlinks website [2] and I think it is specially apt in this context, so I'll use it here. If the response we get do give answers to "How _do_ you 'promote institutional reciptivity' when one group feels left out if they hear 'Everything is changing', and the other group only feels open to change if they hear 'Little is changing'? ... ... you might consider contributing something to COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKING IN EDUCATION ComNEd'99 Open Conference in Aulanko Finland, June 13-18 Theme 1: Learning processes and ICT Theme 2: Supporting autonomous learners Theme 3: The changing role of the teacher Theme 4: Creating the school of the future Theme 5: School systems in a networked society Theme 6: The wider social context of learning or I might. [1] http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/guide.html [2] http://newlinks.tc.columbia.edu/ [3] http://www.hyvan.helsinki.fi/kttk/comned99/oikea13.html#themes [4] vconf98-bulletin-archive regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 6 23:12:16 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA29281 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:09:27 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA29274; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:09:24 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 1998 23:09:24 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: RE: VCONF98-CHAT: Face to face conferences starting Cc: rehn@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi Bruce, I've only just got back to the email, things were a bit hectic today. >Roger I am not sure what happened at the video conference this afternoon >but it seemed to be a problem. Can we try again this afternoon anytime >till 7:00 adelaide time is fine. If you can leave a message for me the >phone number is 0883750644 or by email as I will check it. The hassle was with audio quality, the link itself seemed to be pretty good 128 kb/s. We can check again in the morning, how about 10.00 SA time (8.30 am WA time)? We had a near cardiac arrest thing with the cuseeme link to Larry Anderson at Mississipi State this morning, but Larry came up with about 2 mins to spare after an hours trying. Aaaahh! Our mobile No. for Tues is 041 986 9804 (Steve Kelly). Cheers, Roger. ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Tue Jul 7 00:31:22 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id AAA00283 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:29:21 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA00277 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:29:15 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.corporatesystems.net [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id CAA07603 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:33:16 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256639.005AF638 ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:33:32 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A256639.00573CEC.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 1998 02:14:27 +1000 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: COMMUNICATIONS AND NETWORKING IN EDUCATION Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hello Frank! Being new to this part of the world, I wasn't able to decode your code-talk. But thanks for the Helsinki info - and how about this as a response to promoting institutional receptivity? About 18 months ago, at Monash Mt Eliza B-School, Professor Jack Woods, who directs the show, put two statements on the table. 1 - The individuals who teach at Monash Mt Eliza should consider getting into on-line teaching because, if they did, it would probably be a career enhancing move. 2 - Nobody would be forced to go down this road, but he would support those who wanted to. Some did go down the road, and, with a limited budget, he helped them as much as he could. The student response was good, and then it became a demand for more courses to be available on line. Jack stuck to his "no coercion" policy, but increasingly it was embarrassing to be out in the cold. And so 1999 will see everyone offering at least one on-line course. I don't know how to put what Jack did into your two boxes - but it worked. And I think it worked because nobody felt threatened by his two statements, and he delivered as much as he could to those who began to experiment with on-line teaching. Can this strategy work in other institutions? I don't see why not. James Moulder Corporate Systems Pty Ltd Monash Mt Eliza Business School plato@corporatesystems.com.au ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Tue Jul 7 19:34:28 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13548 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:31:26 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13543 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:31:19 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.166]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02507 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 21:02:33 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A21B0C.B2DE51E@nexus.edu.au> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 21:56:44 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vconf chat Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: more about talking tech to teachers X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Glenelg is a great place to chat about telecommunication, ... ... because people here started telecommunicating more than a hundred years ago. The red-brick building [5] diagonally across the square from the Grand was built to send and receive telegraph messages from London via Port Darwin and the Overland Telegraph. However, in South Australia, even that's very recent history. A few kilometres South, Hallett Cove has features for anthropological study like core implements that date back to the _Stone Age_, and features for geologists to study like folding, glaciation and erosion, that go back beyond TWO ICE AGES! The Town Hall building was originally 'italianate', ... ... before the cupola and clock were added on top [6]. In 1888, right-thinking British subjects might have been distressed by such 'American' influences as rails down the centre of the main street and suburb-names made of family names with -ville appended, but then, in 1888, the Adelaide-Darwin Railway was confidently predicted to be less than twenty years away. Who could have doubted it then.[7] In Dulcie Perry's book about Glenelg, ... ... there's a nice photograph of a train in Mosely square, and the Bay Tram has a place in local telecommunications history, too. It isn't just ecology-friendly transport technology, or even arguably the fastest, safest, most efficient people-mover on Earth. The electric tramway replaced a railway that had run between Glenelg and Adelaide last century when the mail from England for all of Australia came ashore at Glenelg and went on by train to the Eastern cities, while the ship took longer sailing via Bass Straight. "Reaching the Overland Telegraph" by George French Angas, ... ... that I downloaded from the National Library of Australia website [6] is one of my favorites for WIN 95 'wallpaper'. Another is ther S T Gill watercolour of Port Adelaide from the same source, but I couldn't find one for the third 'nameto remember' in the story of Adelaide and telecommunications. Semaphore is the name of a system of telecommunications (dictionary meaning: communication 'at a distance') - This system of optical telegraphy using flags gaveits name to a nearby suburb where it was used to signal to Adelaide the name of any sailing ship being tugged around to Port Adelaide Living on South Esplanade was 'Grand' last century, ... ... as described in "Glenelg Place of Waters"' written by Dulcie Perry who taught at Brighton High School, as did Ian Mudie who wrote 'Storm Boy' that you might have seen as a movie on television. On National Geographic television, you might also have seen "The Greatest Flight" about a Vickers Vimy airplane that was flown from London to Australia, approximately along the telegraph route [9], shortly after Alcock and Brown flew the Atlantic, and indeed, only sixteen years after the Wright brothers first heavier-than-air flight. I didn't see that Vimy last time I was at the Adelaide Airport, but I think it's still there! [5] Dulcie M. Perry, "The place of Waters - A story of Glenelg's first fifty years", 1985, The Corporation of the City of Glenelg and National Trust of South Australia, Glenelg Branch [6] Philip Pike and Julian Moore, 1983, "Captain Sweet's Adelaide", ISBN 0 959248803 [7] Alan Osterstock, (1974), "South Australia, 1888" National Library of Australia Card Number and ISBN 0 85872 088 4 [8] http://www.nla.gov.au/ [9] Peter McMillan and James L. Stanfield, "The Vimy flies again!", National Geographic, Vol. 187, No. 5, May 1995, regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au p. s. Please consider responding to ... .. How _do_ you 'promote institutional reciptivity' when one group feels left out if they hear "Everything is changing", and the other group only feels open to change if they hear "Little is changing"? ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Wed Jul 8 17:02:54 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA29134 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:58:28 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA29127 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:58:24 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.147]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA16923 for ; Wed, 8 Jul 1998 18:30:01 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A348C3.F6DC9E27@nexus.edu.au> Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 19:24:03 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vconf chat Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: online conferencing and receptivity X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Dr Roger Atkinson posted >And there may be other pros and cons for concurrent virtual and face to >face conferences. Overall, though it's much harder work, I favour the >"concurrent" approach. What do you think? There is for me - I have one of those speech defects that I can't hear, and you can't understand - online, discussion isn't nearly so frustrating! ==================================================================== Online, I asked for information about how people go about 'promoting institutional receptivity' in "talking tech to teachers'. ===================================================================== James Moulder posted how about this as a response to promoting institutional receptivity? About 18 months ago, at Monash Mt Eliza B-School, Professor Jack Woods, who directs the show, put two statements on the table. 1 - The individuals who teach at Monash Mt Eliza should consider getting into on-line teaching because, if they did, it would probably be a career enhancing move. 2 - Nobody would be forced to go down this road, but he would support those who wanted to. Some did go down the road, and, with a limited budget, he helped them as much as he could. The student response was good, and then it became a demand for more courses to be available on line. Jack stuck to his "no coercion" policy, but increasingly it was embarrassing to be out in the cold. And so 1999 will see everyone offering at least one on-line course. I don't know how to put what Jack did into your two boxes - but it worked. And I think it worked because nobody felt threatened by his two statements, and he delivered as much as he could to those who began to experiment with on-line teaching. Can this strategy work in other institutions? I don't see why not. End of what James Moulder posted ===================================================================== I think this may be 'the shape of things to come', and I echo James' question: >Can this strategy work in other institutions? I don't see why not either. What do you think? regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Fri Jul 10 18:23:24 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08297 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:17:03 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA08289 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 18:16:49 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.151]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA18115 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 19:48:16 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A5FE1E.D851DE22@nexus.edu.au> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:42:22 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vconf chat Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: keeping the party going ... ... X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au I have been uploading posts in the same spirit as one keeps things going at a staff party when the conversation falters. I think that the World is starting to recognise the great potential that mailing lists have in professional development. I know they haven't been called discussion lists since people found out how much work it takes to make that name come true, but I think that in future, they will enable us to get much more out of attending conferences. Virtual conferences can enhance participation for all, and can make it much easier for disabled would-be participants like me. A good analogy aids participation in the online World - when I started writing for electronic publication [1], I used an analogy with debating - there was the same need to actively seek interaction; to give the definitions and basic factual information on which the debate would be based, then differentiate between them, clearly indicating one from the other. I didn't think much more about it until it was published, and I started to get responses, and evaluating it 'on the run' made another article [2]. I've published another[3], which isn't on the web yet, and I have a fourth in draft, now. I like the analogy above, between growing a discussion list from a conference and participating in a cocktail party, and I also relate to another, likening a discussion list to a TV panel show, with a different panel for every thread. What do you think? [1] Online from Adelaide, South Australia (1995) http://www.helsinki.fi/science/optek/1995/n1/james.txt [2] Electronic publication - does it count? (1996) http://www.helsinki.fi/science/optek/1996/n1/james.txt [3] "What you see ... ... and the 'Net effect", archived as JAMES IPCTV5N4 on LISTSERV@LISTSERV.GEORGETOWN.EDU regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au p.s. [FYI] I'll post a file of 'Adelaide' URLs soon! ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Fri Jul 10 20:40:27 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA09489 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:38:56 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA09485 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:38:52 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 20:38:52 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: keeping the party going ... ... Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >I have been uploading posts in the same spirit as one keeps things going >at a staff party when the conversation falters. I think that the World >is starting to recognise the great potential that mailing lists have in >professional development. .... Thanks Frank, the idea of emailing lists as 'continuous conversations' is an important perspective, but the range of functions and purposes is much wider than that implied by phrases such as "when the conversation falters", or "keeping the party going". For example, much of the list reading I do, and become involved with as the "majordomo-owner" for cleo and carmen is centred upon information exchange. For that purpose the conversational analogy may range from "library environment" (traditionally, a bare minimum of noise) to "committee room environment" or "board room" or other kinds. If other purposes are central, then other environments may be relevant analogies, like "corridor gossip", or "debating hall", or "cafe chat" and so on. Following up from the conclusion of the face to face conference, I'll be adding (this weekend) the ftf registrants to this list and doing related work. You are invited to have a look at the soon to be finished pages under: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/pubs/photos.html Suggestions for missing captions would be welcome (if publishable). Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sat Jul 11 08:56:14 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA14184 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:52:18 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA14180 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 08:52:15 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.146]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA24486 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 10:23:52 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A6CB4E.983F5B16@nexus.edu.au> Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 11:17:50 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vconf chat Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: 'marked up' URLs for Adelaide X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au ================================================================== The following ASCII text file travels as email, and is meant to be viewed in a browser window, where the user can click on its 'marked up URLs'. To store the file on the hard disc of my WIN 95 system, I save the file to disc with extension .HTM thus: /File, /SaveAs filname.HTM and then I press ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------- When I want a URL online, I want it handy where I can click it, to I ask the right question, or get the right answer, or make all this count. Here are some 'marked up 'Adelaide' URLs to keep handy. The file can be saved ondisc, and opened in a browser, and then, with a click or two, ... ...
For educators like me, 'must visit' Adelaide sites include the DECS Website, which hosts a Secondary Schools Assessment Board SSABSA webpage and SACE. Certificate of Education. Our teacher's credit union is Satisfac Direct and 'tertiary' sites include The University of Adelaide and the Flinders University or the University of South Australia. Also, there's the Department for Employment, Training and Further Education. Don't miss the SA Central or the State Library or the 1998 Telstra Adelaide Festival websites. In Adelaide, for multimedia browse ngapartji for AFL football the Adelaide 'Crows' and the Australian Computer Society ACS(SA) webpage.
CEGSA I ACEC98 I EdTech'98 Virtual Conference HOME I Guide I help I Archives I
regards, Frank JAMES, fjames@nexus.edu.au
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The above ASCII text file travels as email, and is meant to be viewed in a browser window, where the user can click on its 'marked up URLs'. To store the file on the hard disc of my WIN 95 system, I save the file to disc with extension .HTM thus: /File, /SaveAs filname.HTM and then I press ---------------------------------------------------------- ================================================================== ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sat Jul 11 23:23:42 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id XAA20795 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:17:06 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id XAA20785 for ; Sat, 11 Jul 1998 23:16:31 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.sims.com.au [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA22623 for ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:20:54 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A25663E.005461B2 ; Sun, 12 Jul 1998 01:21:40 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A25663E.004BAD11.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 00:09:05 +1000 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: MAINLY FOR FRANK JAMES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au hello frank thanks for the Adelaide PR - let me reciprocate with three sites that you may find interesting http://www.lotus.com/learningspace will tell you about the up-coming version 2.6 of LearningSpace - increasingly LearningSpace is living up to its claim to be a software package that can be used to support and deliver the full range of multi-media educational resources http://www.lotus.com/sametime will tell you about the sexy sametime applications that have been developed - things like audio and video conferencing, as well as tools for whiteboarding and buddy lists finally, at a lower level, there's the hypertext version of my edtech98 paper at http://www.corporatesystems.com.au/html/papers.html i'd be interested to know what you think about the difference between using telephony and television as an analogy for electronically delivered education regards james moulder ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 13 06:15:54 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA03027 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:15:42 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA03023 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 06:15:39 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.142]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA08358 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 07:47:15 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35A86E02.2D0C02E0@nexus.edu.au> Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 17:04:18 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: MAINLY FOR FRANK JAMES X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <4A25663E.004BAD11.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au > >i'd be interested to know what you think about the difference > >between using telephony and television as an analogy for > >electronically delivered education > Thankyou for the URLs - I've already set them up as text anchors on my PC, but then the bugs got loose - my first ISP account ran out of time for today; then my backup ISP's client kept trying to connect to the first ISP's server. A cold reboot fixed that, but now my PC is saving file headers without the files ... That _was_ close - that sort of thing usually happens to me during conferences - another plus for virtual conferences? When I log on tomorrow, I'll download some files and start learning about "using telephony and television as an analogy for electronically delivered education" and email you later in the week. I already relate to a couple of things I thought I glimpsed online: emphasis on the importance of learning, and the name 'Lotus' brings back memories. regards, Frank JAMES ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 13 13:10:51 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA08995 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:10:44 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au (eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au [130.95.208.9]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA08991 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:10:41 +0800 (WST) Received: (from peterj@localhost) by eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA01099 for vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:14:03 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 13:14:03 +0800 (WST) From: "Peter E. Jones" Message-Id: <199807130514.NAA01099@eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au> To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: keeping the party going ... ... Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au JamesI find that the *.txt fromat hard to read on screen, any chance of doing it html or even pdf? - Peter Jones, E&EE, UWA, Perth ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 13 20:28:35 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA14867 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:28:27 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA14863 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 20:28:16 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.corporatesystems.net [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA19417 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:02 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256640.00450150 ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:33:43 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A256640.00431A77.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 22:18:14 +1000 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: keeping the party going ... ... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au hello peter if you first click on View and then on Increase Font, you increase the font - you can repeat this as many times as necessary to get the size you want, but once is usually sufficient you get the same results by using Ctrl+] regards james ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 13 21:28:12 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA15571 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:11 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA15567 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:08 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 21:28:08 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: keeping the party going ... ... Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Peter Jones asked: >JamesI find that the *.txt fromat hard to read on screen, any chance >of doing it html or even pdf? Under HyperNews, Add a message, the options for format include: Smart Text Word Processor If you select "Smart Text" (which is the default), the reader will have control of display font, but if you select "Word Processor" (which is a misleading label), the reader will see Courier font, or whatever the reader has selected for fixed pitch font. So we recommend using the default "Smart Text". After that detail (we are having some hassles with HyperNews as a web based discussion environment), we welcome the participants who have been added after the conclusion of the ftf conference! To repeat the advice given at the last plenary session of the ftf conference: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html (or http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98/ ) To access the virtual conference's password controlled pages, please use: login name: vconf98 password: third Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Tue Jul 14 17:44:00 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA00319 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:43:46 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA00315 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 17:43:41 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.147]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03477 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 19:15:19 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35AB3C60.72A88536@nexus.edu.au> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 20:09:20 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Re: VCONF98-CHAT - marked up URLs so you can read them! X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <199807130514.NAA01099@eeserver.ee.uwa.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >James, I find that the *.txt format hard to read on screen, any chance >of doing it html or even pdf? > >- Peter Jones, E&EE, UWA, Perth ----------------------------------------------------------------- I think this is 'the right question'. James, or anyone else who has a response to this - I think this is very much to the point, because I can stand the daunting appearance of those 'marked up URLs' in email only because experience has taught me that they are more useful to me than bookmarks. Now that a useful URL can be expected to remain current, with stable content, careful evaluation of using an URL, in context, for a particular purpose, becomes practicable. To evaluate using an URL, I need statistics of what typical users do with it in the context in which I place it. For example, I might 'author' it as a text anchor with some carefully chosen text, and I might put it in association with some other URLs that I have carefully chosen to go with it. I will then want to trial and revise that at least ten times (but I won't be allowed to) before it goes into service. I have experienced how this process gets rushed in the non-virtual World, and those 'marked up URLs' give me a head-start. How can we make then look good in email? regards, Frank JAMES Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 ======================================================================= p.s. I am still reading about telephones and ... ... ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Tue Jul 14 22:21:53 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id WAA03319 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:21:47 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA03312 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 1998 22:21:36 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.sims.com.au [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA18626 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:26:25 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256641.004F6DC9 ; Wed, 15 Jul 1998 00:27:34 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A256641.004C5AC1.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 23:57:16 +1000 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Re: VCONF98-CHAT - marked up URLs so you can read them! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au hello frank being a lazy fellow, i like them because all i have to do is click on them to get more info - so what they look like isn't a worry imagine what the world would be like if lazy people had been consulted about what it should be like regards james ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 16 17:58:10 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id RAA05461 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:55 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA05457 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 17:57:51 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.158]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA08959 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 19:29:30 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35ADE2AE.E5D0872C@nexus.edu.au> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:23:26 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Ana: Telephony: VCONF98-CHAT: FROM FRANK JAMES X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <4A25663E.004BAD11.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> <35A86E02.2D0C02E0@nexus.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >I'd be interested to know what you think about the difference >between using telephony and television as an analogy for >electronically delivered education I am predisposed to favour analogy with telephoning because each of us already has 'a large aquaintance with particulars about telephoning', from an unambiguously personal, individual, interactive perspective. It seems to work well, here, too. The only thing I like about analogy with watching television comes from Maurie Collins in USA - She likens 'lurking' on discussion lists to (from memory) watching television panel discussions, with a different panel for each thread. Where are technologies like this going, do you think, James? Now that 'early preparation for reading'[9] is on the agenda, if the parents of pre-schoolers invest in the technology, will they be able to work online in groups of families? If teachers invest in it, can individual members working from home prepare team teaching modules for workgroups of teachers? If students in post-compulsory education have it at home, can we set them groupwork homework? Can a student in grade nine at SHC-MS at Mitchell Park, and a student in grade nine at Marymount College at Seacome Gardens, and a student in grade ten at SHCS at Somerton Park work together using it to prepare effectively to participate together as an effective team in a face to face debate as part of the regularly scheduled inter-school competition? If they need it, can they get assistance from their usual debating mentor, if she happens to be in Perth for a conference, that week? [9] CNN - Study urges early preparation for reading - Mar. 18, 1998 http://cnn.com/books/news/9803/18/learning.to.read.ap/index.html regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au p.s. I think the speed and responsiveness of these systems will be increased dramatically soon, and that will greatly affect students perceptions of the activities and interactions. p.p.s. What does everyone else think? ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 16 21:25:29 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA07704 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:25:18 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA07699 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 21:25:13 +0800 (WST) Received: from default ([203.1.252.151]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA11324; Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:56:50 +0930 (CST) Message-Id: <199807161326.WAA11324@sadecs.nexus.edu.au> From: "Ron Green" Organization: Ron Green:Multimedia & Training To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au, fjames@nexus.com.au Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 22:54:31 -9.30 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Ana: Telephony: VCONF98-CHAT: FROM FRANK JAMES In-reply-to: <35ADE2AE.E5D0872C@nexus.edu.au> Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Ummmmm..... How come I keep getting this mail from or for you??? Have I got on your list somehow?? Maybe you could have a look and correct the situation *smile* Ron Date: Thu, 16 Jul 1998 20:23:26 +0900 From: Frank James To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Ana: Telephony: VCONF98-CHAT: FROM FRANK JAMES Reply-to: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >I'd be interested to know what you think about the difference >between using telephony and television as an analogy for >electronically delivered education I am predisposed to favour analogy with telephoning because each of us already has 'a large aquaintance with particulars about telephoning', from an unambiguously personal, individual, interactive perspective. It seems to work well, here, too. The only thing I like about analogy with watching television comes from Maurie Collins in USA - She likens 'lurking' on discussion lists to (from memory) watching television panel discussions, with a different panel for each thread. Where are technologies like this going, do you think, James? Now that 'early preparation for reading'[9] is on the agenda, if the parents of pre-schoolers invest in the technology, will they be able to work online in groups of families? If teachers invest in it, can individual members working from home prepare team teaching modules for workgroups of teachers? If students in post-compulsory education have it at home, can we set them groupwork homework? Can a student in grade nine at SHC-MS at Mitchell Park, and a student in grade nine at Marymount College at Seacome Gardens, and a student in grade ten at SHCS at Somerton Park work together using it to prepare effectively to participate together as an effective team in a face to face debate as part of the regularly scheduled inter-school competition? If they need it, can they get assistance from their usual debating mentor, if she happens to be in Perth for a conference, that week? [9] CNN - Study urges early preparation for reading - Mar. 18, 1998 http://cnn.com/books/news/9803/18/learning.to.read.ap/index.html regards, Frank JAMES 29 Cudmore St., Sacred Heart College Senior School, Somerton Park, 195-239 Brighton Road, South Australia 5044 Somerton Park, South Australia 5044 Home phone (AH) 8294 4102 SHCS Telephone +61 8 8294 2988 SHCS Facsimile +61 8 8295 8461 email fjames@nexus.edu.au p.s. I think the speed and responsiveness of these systems will be increased dramatically soon, and that will greatly affect students perceptions of the activities and interactions. p.p.s. What does everyone else think? ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html Ron Ron.Green@RGMT.com.au http://www.RGMT.com.au ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sat Jul 18 16:43:01 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05111 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:42:48 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05101 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:42:42 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.corporatesystems.net [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23997 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:48:11 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256645.0030174D ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:45:16 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A256645.002DFEA1.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:33:16 +1000 Subject: Ana: Telephony: VCONF98-CHAT: FROM FRANK JAMES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au i nearly missed your ps frank i agree frank - the speed thing is under way with WWW2 - and all the major players are working on the responsiveness thing a good example is DataBeam's SameTime Server - there's info and a demo at htttp://www.databeam.com/ but plain old familiarity is the other factor that's kicking in - in a situation where they can choose between taking the same course on-line or in the classroom, i have some students who are casting their third vote for doing it on-line - and last semester i got a glimpse of where it's going even before we get faster and more responsive goodies - one of the courses attracted twice as many LearningSpace as classroom students ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sat Jul 18 16:43:01 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA05112 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:42:49 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from kryten.ipax.com.au (root@kryten.ipax.com.au [203.29.72.3]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05102 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 16:42:43 +0800 (WST) From: plato@corporatesystems.com.au Received: from smtp.corporatesystems.net (smtp.corporatesystems.net [203.57.16.251]) by kryten.ipax.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA23999 for ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:48:11 +1000 Received: by smtp.corporatesystems.net(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.1 (569.2 2-6-1998)) id 4A256645.00301627 ; Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:45:14 +1000 X-Lotus-FromDomain: CORPORATESYSTEMS To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Message-ID: <4A256645.002CF4CE.00@smtp.corporatesystems.net> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 18:21:36 +1000 Subject: Ana: Telephony: VCONF98-CHAT: FROM FRANK JAMES Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au thanks for all the questions, frank but most of all for the idea of learning by lurking i think that's what most students do in classroom situations - so why not in LearningSpace or WebCT or whatever? these are students who learn by listening and by thinking - or by reading and by thinking it's one of the things i like about teaching in LearningSpace although you can do as much collaborative work as your heart desires, i've gone for the individual interactive option and so, because participation is voluntary, the class divides into lurkers and e-mailers, the latter getting one-on-one tuition about your questions - i think the answer to everyone of them is YES, with the proviso that each of them requires a champion to make it happen i've already confessed why most of these ideas won't be used by me, but if they interest you or others, microsoft runs a good site for K-12 schools and approximations to some of what you're playing with already exist that's all for now james ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sun Jul 19 19:39:55 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA19210 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:39:41 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA19205 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:39:38 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 19:39:38 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi, we are seeking interested persons for test sessions with Internet based video conferencing during the next two weeks, as described under: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/video-conf.html including cuseeme and Namadgi's White Pine: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/pubs/abstracts/namadgi.html The scope for low cost two way multisite video conferencing appeals to me. A medium accessable for schools and 'ordinary education and training' purposes, without being dependent upon or beholden to the media giants. Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Sun Jul 19 20:25:57 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA19742 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:25:53 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from boris.karriweb.com.au (boris.karriweb.com.au [203.33.224.10]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA19738 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:25:48 +0800 (WST) Received: from david (dialup1-24.karriweb.net.au [203.33.224.123]) by boris.karriweb.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA28417 for ; Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:19:20 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <001901bdb310$a08102e0$0100a8c0@david.karriweb.com.au> From: "David Wells" To: Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 20:27:36 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Gidday Roger if you are using the latest version of White Pine CuSeeMe then you should be able to conference to Netmeeting users also. If so we can try a link to the school if you want. Cheers David Wells Pemberton DHS -----Original Message----- From: Roger Atkinson To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Date: Sunday, 19 July 1998 8:13 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions >Hi, we are seeking interested persons for test sessions with Internet based >video conferencing during the next two weeks, as described under: > >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/video-conf.html > >including cuseeme and Namadgi's White Pine: >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/pubs/abstracts/namadgi.h tml > >The scope for low cost two way multisite video conferencing appeals to me. >A medium accessable for schools and 'ordinary education and training' >purposes, without being dependent upon or beholden to the media giants. > >Cheers, > >Roger. > >Dr Roger Atkinson >Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online >Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ >Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. >Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 > > >============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html > ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 20 08:39:04 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA24930 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:38:46 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (csunb.mit.csu.edu.au [137.166.16.1]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA24925 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 08:38:42 +0800 (WST) Received: from postoffice.CSU.edu.au (postoffice.csu.edu.au [137.166.16.194]) by csunb.mit.csu.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id KAA06383 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:38:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from bdalgarno (bdalgarno.riv.csu.edu.au [137.166.78.205]) by postoffice.CSU.edu.au (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA01606 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:37:59 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19980720104011.00a0ad80@postoffice.csu.edu.au> X-Sender: bdalgarn@postoffice.csu.edu.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.3 (32) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:40:11 +1000 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: Barney Dalgarno Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Roger (et al), I am curious about the decision to choose CU-Seeme. I realise that it is free and has been the most widely used approach in the past. However, with the ratification of the H323 standard in 1996, there have been a number of products released that make use of this standard, the most well-known being Microsoft Net Meeting. (H323 includes standards for video, audio and text conferencing, shared whiteboard and application sharing). It would seem more appropriate to use a standard approach than a slightly outdated approach that was a defacto standard two years ago. For those who are interested, the following is a list of some of the H323 complient clients: Microsoft NetMeeting (video, audio, text, app sharing, PC only), see www.microsoft.com Netscape Communicator (audio, text, whiteboard only, PC and Macintosh), see www.netscape.com Netopia Timbukto Pro (application sharing only, PC and Mac), see www.farallon.com Intel Pro Share (video, audio, text, whiteboard, app sharing, PC only, includes hardware), see www.intel.com White Pine Enhanced CU See Me (video, audio, text, whiteboard, PC and Macintosh), see www.wpine.com PictureTel (video, audio, text, whiteboard, app sharing, PC only, includes hardware), see www.picturetel.com All of this said, I'm quite keen to participate in some trial sessions, using either approach. Barney At 19:39 19/07/98 +0800, you wrote: >Hi, we are seeking interested persons for test sessions with Internet based >video conferencing during the next two weeks, as described under: > >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/video-conf.html > >including cuseeme and Namadgi's White Pine: >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/pubs/abstracts/namadgi.h tml > >The scope for low cost two way multisite video conferencing appeals to me. >A medium accessable for schools and 'ordinary education and training' >purposes, without being dependent upon or beholden to the media giants. > >Cheers, > >Roger. > >Dr Roger Atkinson >Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online >Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ >Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. >Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 > > >============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html > > *********************************************** * Barney Dalgarno * * Lecturer in Information Technology * * School of Information Studies * * Charles Sturt University * * Wagga Wagga, NSW, 2678, Australia * * Email: bdalgarno@csu.edu.au * * WWW: http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/~dalgarno * * Phone: 02 6933 2305 * * Fax: 02 6933 2733 * *********************************************** ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 20 09:35:54 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id JAA25909 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:35:52 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from linux2.namadgi.com (root@[203.14.32.6]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA25897 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:35:39 +0800 (WST) Received: from vectra_sales ([192.168.254.3]) by linux2.namadgi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04446 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:35:22 +1000 Message-ID: <35B29E88.9F560BDD@namadgi.com> Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:34:02 +1000 From: Llew Jury Organization: Namadgi Marketing & Distribution X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <3.0.3.32.19980720104011.00a0ad80@postoffice.csu.edu.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi Barney, Firstly, the shareware (free) version of Cu SeeME is Version 1.0 from many years ago. We are currently up to Version 3.1 and believe that this is one of the most stable H.323 clients for MAC OS or PC. Secondly, Namadgi are currently running H.323 demonstrations of the multipoint (2 or more clients) H.323 compliant server (reflector) MeetingPoint. This server offers bandwidth optimisation controls to minimize the usage of bandwidth and allows for bandwidth pruning. It runs logistic reports and can be updated remotely through a web browser. It can be used over a WAN, LAN or the Internet and runs on WIn NT or Solaris. Thirdly, running on top of a MeetingPoint server is a new IP based client application called ClassPoint. This is an instructor controlled virtual learning environment powered by Cu SeeME that comprises of an Administrator, Instructor and a Student. This runs on Win NT and can also be updated remotely. Namadgi will be holding demonstrations of Cu SeeME and MeetingPoint as well as ClassPoint throughout the next few weeks. For more information please call 1800 504 324. Cheers, Llew Jury ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Llew Jury Product Manager Namadgi Marketing & Distribution 12/90 Barrier Street Fyshwick ACT 2609 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6280 0370 Fax: +61 2 6280 0380 Aust Freecall: 1800 504 324 NZ Freecall: 0800 101 175 NZ Freefax: 0800 101 496 Mobile Tel: 0417 650 583 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Barney Dalgarno wrote: > Roger (et al), > > I am curious about the decision to choose CU-Seeme. I realise that it > is > free and has been the most widely used approach in the past. However, > with > the ratification of the H323 standard in 1996, there have been a > number of > products released that make use of this standard, the most well-known > being > Microsoft Net Meeting. (H323 includes standards for video, audio and > text > conferencing, shared whiteboard and application sharing). It would > seem > more appropriate to use a standard approach than a slightly outdated > approach that was a defacto standard two years ago. > > For those who are interested, the following is a list of some of the > H323 > complient clients: > Microsoft NetMeeting (video, audio, text, app sharing, PC only), see > www.microsoft.com > Netscape Communicator (audio, text, whiteboard only, PC and > Macintosh), see > www.netscape.com > Netopia Timbukto Pro (application sharing only, PC and Mac), see > www.farallon.com > Intel Pro Share (video, audio, text, whiteboard, app sharing, PC only, > > includes hardware), see www.intel.com > White Pine Enhanced CU See Me (video, audio, text, whiteboard, PC and > Macintosh), see www.wpine.com > PictureTel (video, audio, text, whiteboard, app sharing, PC only, > includes > hardware), see www.picturetel.com > > All of this said, I'm quite keen to participate in some trial > sessions, > using either approach. > > Barney > > At 19:39 19/07/98 +0800, you wrote: > >Hi, we are seeking interested persons for test sessions with Internet > based > >video conferencing during the next two weeks, as described under: > > > > http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/video-conf.html > > > > >including cuseeme and Namadgi's White Pine: > > YPE http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/pubs/abstracts/namadgi.h > > tml > > > >The scope for low cost two way multisite video conferencing appeals > to me. > >A medium accessable for schools and 'ordinary education and training' > > >purposes, without being dependent upon or beholden to the media > giants. > > > >Cheers, > > > >Roger. > > > >Dr Roger Atkinson > >Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online > >Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ > >Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. > >Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: > atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au > >EdTech'98 Virtual Conference > http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 > > > > > >============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat > ============ > > MensImplicitID87http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html > > > > > > *********************************************** > * Barney Dalgarno * > * Lecturer in Information Technology * > * School of Information Studies * > * Charles Sturt University * > * Wagga Wagga, NSW, 2678, Australia * > * Email: bdalgarno@csu.edu.au * > * WWW: http://farrer.riv.csu.edu.au/~dalgarno * > * Phone: 02 6933 2305 * > * Fax: 02 6933 2733 * > *********************************************** > ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat > ============ > http://cleo. > urdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Llew Jury Product Manager Namadgi Marketing & Distribution 12/90 Barrier Street Fyshwick ACT 2609 AUSTRALIA Tel: +61 2 6280 0370 Fax: +61 2 6280 0380 Aust Freecall: 1800 504 324 NZ Freecall: 0800 101 175 NZ Freefax: 0800 101 496 Mobile Tel: 0417 650 583 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Mon Jul 20 13:29:17 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA00303 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:29:09 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA00298 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:29:06 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 13:29:06 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Barney Dalgarno wrote: >I am curious about the decision to choose CU-Seeme. I realise that it is >free and has been the most widely used approach in the past. However, with >the ratification of the H323 standard in 1996, there have been a number of >products released that make use of this standard, the most well-known being >Microsoft Net Meeting. (H323 includes standards for video, audio and text >conferencing, shared whiteboard and application sharing). It would seem >more appropriate to use a standard approach than a slightly outdated >approach that was a defacto standard two years ago. It's not really a decision to use cuseeme, it's a facilitation of the most common situation (the most distressingly common situation, I feel, universities as well as schools and colleges). You don't have any spare money in your meagre budget but you perceive an opportunity to experiment, test and demonstrate Internet based video conferencing. So you look for the cheapest way in, and that's public domain software, which allows you start with expenditure only on hardware. In the case of cuseeme, it's an avenue into multipoint video conferencing, and I guess that multipoint capability will be a major target or specification for most entrants. The idea is to facilitate the scrounging of funds on the basis of experience with the technology and potential applications areas like language teaching or whatever, and some demonstrations. Then the list which Barney gave may well be your shopping list. We can argue over the merits of "low end, scrounging" start up versus "proper start up", but that would really be a grumble about allocation of funds. Everyone would just love to have better funding and staffing. However, I won't complain about the performance of the supplier industries. Intel demonstrated at last year's ECAWA Conference, and probably at many others. Namadgi, Australian distributors for White Pine (the commercial successor to cuseeme) have contributed to Edtech'98 with their free demonstration offer. Llew Jury wrote: >Namadgi will be holding demonstrations of Cu SeeME and MeetingPoint as >well as ClassPoint throughout the next few weeks. For more information >please call 1800 504 324. Cheers, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Tue Jul 21 16:39:25 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA23189 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:39:05 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from sadecs.nexus.edu.au (sadecs.nexus.edu.au [203.1.252.75]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA23183 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 16:39:00 +0800 (WST) Received: from wjames ([203.1.252.145]) by sadecs.nexus.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25303 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 1998 18:10:41 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <35B467A4.8D807B7E@nexus.edu.au> Date: Tue, 21 Jul 1998 19:04:20 +0900 From: Frank James X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing SeeUGA-SeeCEGSA X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au A year or two ago, I got a request for a Kindergarten to communicate using CU-SeeMe with a Kindy in Georgia, USA. I passed the request on to CEGSA (Ingrid?) but I don't remember what eventuated (if anything). I remember being intrigued by the idea because it reminded me of working for the PMG, although I can't remember how I got the original request - I can't find the email address, but I remember it came through the University of Georgia. I know we did things with CU-SeeMe - Does anybody remember a Kindy?. 'Gainsboro' rings a bell. Frank JAMES (at least I can remember that! p.s. I think it came through ISED-L ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 23 10:22:01 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id KAA29251 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:21:43 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from hotmail.com (f58.hotmail.com [207.82.251.192]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA29246 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 10:21:38 +0800 (WST) Received: (qmail 4909 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jul 1998 02:21:06 -0000 Message-ID: <19980723022106.4908.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 210.146.173.201 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:21:06 PDT X-Originating-IP: [210.146.173.201] From: "judy steele" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing test sessions Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 22 Jul 1998 19:21:06 PDT Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Thanks for mail re video-conferencing I would love to try it from here but do not have support structure may I suggest Peter White in my place? He is a member of ASET , the only reason he hasnt been involved in the conference is that he has been on a Winston Churchill scholarship study tour and dropped in to Tokyo on the way home last week. He was responsible for training at the Open High school (my trainer) and we worked together on many conferences and demos of the Electronic Classroom .dont know his email address but will send your email via snail mail today (4 days to Oz ) Well the life here hasnt changed much. some people going broke some not. myself not- and a nice new laptop on the way.I cant stand using other peoples machines any more !! best regards judy steele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 23 16:22:13 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id QAA06713 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:21:59 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.48] (esumac18.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.48]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA06708 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:21:52 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19980723022106.4908.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Copyright: Copyright 1998 Geoffrey Rehn Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 16:32:41 +0800 To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: Geoffrey Rehn Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Internet video conferencing Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Salon Online magazine have an article on intenet based videoconferencing at: http://www.salonmagazine.com/21st/feature/1998/07/cov_21feature.html Its main focus is on Micro$oft's NetMeeting and the impact it is having on the market, as well as a somewhat humouress account of Billy boy's discomfort at the uses to which his free software is being put. regards -- Geoffrey Rehn Lecturer, Educational Technology Teaching and Learning Centre Murdoch University Perth Western Australia rehn@cleo.murdoch.edu.au ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 23 18:31:57 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA08859 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:31:48 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA08853 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:31:45 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 18:31:45 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Password bypass Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Hi, I've been tinkering with the capabilities of the .htaccess file used by NCSA's httpd (which is the web server software cleo and very many other hosts run). Because users dont like having to remember a login name and password when a web page demands that they be given. So I have turned on an "allow hosts or domains" feature for the file which controls access to the Edtech'98-ACEC'98 virtual conference articles. May I obtain some feedback please, from conference registrants in the domains or at the hosts: .dse.vic.gov.au .acu.edu.au .csu.edu.au .grdton.training.wa.gov.au .unsw.edu.au .une.edu.au .karriweb.com.au nexus.edu.au .corporatesystems.com.au .cowan.edu.au (if you are uncertain, work it out like this: if any of the above lines is a part of your email address, ignoring the leading full stop if any, then you are eligible for this "password bypass" experiment) The required test is to access an article for which you found previously that a password was demanded. Now, if you are included in the list above, you should not encounter a demand for login name password (except that in some cases I'm uncertain). To be sure that access without password is not just a case of your Netscape or IE remembering the login name ( vconf98) and password ( third ), please tell your Netscape or IE to forget password or use a different workstation. One big problem about a virtual conference is inability to escape the normal daily routine, and today that routine threw up a need to offer a more sophisticated set of controls (ie allow either a specified domain name or IP number range or IP number or host, or allow a valid login name and password). No problem, a very suitable test environment is available.... volunteers willing! Thanks, Roger. Dr Roger Atkinson Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 23 19:38:00 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA09743 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:37:57 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from boris.karriweb.com.au (boris.karriweb.com.au [203.33.224.10]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA09737 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:37:53 +0800 (WST) Received: from david (dialup1-1.karriweb.net.au [203.33.224.100]) by boris.karriweb.com.au (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id TAA11904 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:31:29 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <004e01bdb62e$a5ffd680$0100a8c0@david.karriweb.com.au> From: "David Wells" To: Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Password bypass Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 19:40:08 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Gidday Roger karriweb.com.au can now get thru without a username and password. I did not get a response when I offered us as a VC test site. I assume that means you have plenty of remote Perth based schools. I continue to use VC to Japan, Spain and another foreign country, Victoria., but have yet to find a school ,in WA who can reliably connect. I hope the conference is going well, Cheers David Wells Pemberton DHS -----Original Message----- From: Roger Atkinson To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Date: Thursday, 23 July 1998 7:03 Subject: VCONF98-CHAT: Password bypass >Hi, I've been tinkering with the capabilities of the .htaccess file used by >NCSA's httpd (which is the web server software cleo and very many other >hosts run). Because users dont like having to remember a login name and >password when a web page demands that they be given. > >So I have turned on an "allow hosts or domains" feature for the file which >controls access to the Edtech'98-ACEC'98 virtual conference articles. > >May I obtain some feedback please, from conference registrants in the >domains or at the hosts: > >.dse.vic.gov.au >.acu.edu.au >.csu.edu.au >.grdton.training.wa.gov.au >.unsw.edu.au >.une.edu.au >.karriweb.com.au >nexus.edu.au >.corporatesystems.com.au >.cowan.edu.au > >(if you are uncertain, work it out like this: if any of the above lines is >a part of your email address, ignoring the leading full stop if any, then >you are eligible for this "password bypass" experiment) > >The required test is to access an article for which you found previously >that a password was demanded. Now, if you are included in the list above, >you should not encounter a demand for login name password (except that in >some cases I'm uncertain). To be sure that access without password is not >just a case of your Netscape or IE remembering the login name ( vconf98) >and password ( third ), please tell your Netscape or IE to forget password >or use a different workstation. > >One big problem about a virtual conference is inability to escape the >normal daily routine, and today that routine threw up a need to offer a >more sophisticated set of controls (ie allow either a specified domain name >or IP number range or IP number or host, or allow a valid login name and >password). No problem, a very suitable test environment is available.... >volunteers willing! > >Thanks, > >Roger. > >Dr Roger Atkinson >Snr Lect in Educational Technology and Manager, Murdoch Online >Teaching and Learning Centre: http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/ >Murdoch University, Murdoch WA 6150, Australia. >Voice +61 8 9360 6840 fax +61 8 9310 4929 Email: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au >EdTech'98 Virtual Conference http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/aset/confs/edtech98 > > >============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ >http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html > ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html From atkinson Thu Jul 23 20:05:22 1998 Received: (from majodomo@localhost) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id UAA10133 for vconf98-chat-outgoing; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:05:20 +0800 (WST) X-Authentication-Warning: cleo.murdoch.edu.au: majodomo set sender to owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au using -f Received: from [134.115.224.45] (esumac15.murdoch.edu.au [134.115.224.45]) by cleo.murdoch.edu.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA10129 for ; Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:05:17 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 20:05:17 +0800 (WST) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au From: atkinson@cleo.murdoch.edu.au (Roger Atkinson) Subject: Re: VCONF98-CHAT: Password bypass (and video conf) Sender: owner-vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Precedence: bulk Reply-To: vconf98-chat@cleo.murdoch.edu.au Thanks David, >karriweb.com.au can now get thru without a username and password. >I did not get a response when I offered us as a VC test site. I assume that >means you have plenty of remote Perth based schools. I continue to use VC to >Japan, Spain and another foreign country, Victoria., but have yet to find a >school ,in WA who can reliably connect. Lovely! Your Pemberton DHS karriweb.com.au was the one I was the most uncertain about. >David Wells >Pemberton DHS On video conferencing, yes please, still test sites. Also, participants could note that Llew Jury (02 6280 0370) from Namdagi is providing MeetingPoint, ClassPoint and CU-SeeMe August demo codes, valid until 31 August 1998 Cheers, Roger. ============ ASET EdTech'98-ACEC'98 Virtual Conference Chat ============ http://cleo.murdoch.edu.au/gen/aset/confs/edtech98/vconf/vconf-home.html